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on renters insurance.>>>TODAY MARKED THE THIRD on renters insurance.>>>TODAY MARKED THE THIRD STRAIGHT DAY WHERE “THE NEW YORK STRAIGHT DAY WHERE “THE NEW YORK TIMES” HAD A BANNER HEADLINE TO TIMES” HAD A BANNER HEADLINE TO DELIVER THE SHOCKING EVENTS THAT DELIVER THE SHOCKING EVENTS THAT HAD JUST TAKEN PLACE. HAD JUST TAKEN PLACE. IT’S NOTHING SHORT OF AN IT’S NOTHING SHORT OF AN ASTONISHING PAST TEN DAYS, ASTONISHING PAST TEN DAYS, MAKING WHAT COMES NEXT EVEN MAKING WHAT COMES NEXT EVEN HARDER TO PREDICT. HARDER TO PREDICT. JOHN MEACHAM JOINS US. JOHN MEACHAM JOINS US. I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THIS “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTING THIS “WASHINGTON POST” REPORTING ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THE ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THE PRESIDENT HAD IN 2017 WITH THE PRESIDENT HAD IN 2017 WITH THE FOREIGN MINISTER OF RUSSIA AND FOREIGN MINISTER OF RUSSIA AND THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE UNITED STATES. UNITED STATES. HE SAYS I’M NOT THAT WORRIED HE SAYS I’M NOT THAT WORRIED ABOUT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE ABOUT RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE ALLEGEDLY, ACCORDING TO THE ALLEGEDLY, ACCORDING TO THE REPORTING IN THE ELECTION, REPORTING IN THE ELECTION, BECAUSE AMERICA DOES IT TOO. BECAUSE AMERICA DOES IT TOO. THAT’S AN INTERESTING THING TO THAT’S AN INTERESTING THING TO EXPLORE. EXPLORE. THERE’S TRUTH IN THE FACT THAT THERE’S TRUTH IN THE FACT THAT AMERICA HAS DONE THINGS TO AMERICA HAS DONE THINGS TO INFLUENCE OTHERS’ ELECTIONS. INFLUENCE OTHERS’ ELECTIONS. THERE IS CONCERN THAT THE THERE IS CONCERN THAT THE PRESIDENT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE PRESIDENT DOESN’T SEEM TO BE RECOGNIZING THE EQUIVALENCY RECOGNIZING THE EQUIVALENCY HERE. HERE.>>ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE>>ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE PRESIDENT MAY NOT BE SAYING PRESIDENT MAY NOT BE SAYING THAT’S NUANCED OR TRUE? THAT’S NUANCED OR TRUE? THAT’S AN UNUSUAL ASSERTION AT THAT’S AN UNUSUAL ASSERTION AT THIS POINT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. THIS POINT IN AMERICAN HISTORY. I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS OUT I THINK THERE ARE TWO THINGS OUT OF THIS REPORTING. OF THIS REPORTING. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST OF I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY, IF I WERE BETTING, THE MANY, IF I WERE BETTING, THE EVENTS OF THE LAST TEN DAYS, EVENTS OF THE LAST TEN DAYS, WE’LL BE SEEING MORE AND MORE WE’LL BE SEEING MORE AND MORE EXAMPLES OF CONVERSATIONS, EXAMPLES OF CONVERSATIONS, ATTEMPTS TO ENLIST AGENTS OF ATTEMPTS TO ENLIST AGENTS OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS INTO THE FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS INTO THE POLITICAL PROCESS HERE. POLITICAL PROCESS HERE. I THINK THE INITIAL I THINK THE INITIAL WHISTLE-BLOWER ARGUABLY HAS MADE WHISTLE-BLOWER ARGUABLY HAS MADE IT EASIER FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO IT EASIER FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD. COME FORWARD. IF PAST IS PROLOGUE, I SUSPECT IF PAST IS PROLOGUE, I SUSPECT THIS IS PART OF A PATTERN FOR THIS IS PART OF A PATTERN FOR THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT. AND THIS IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF AND THIS IS THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER INSTANCE OF THE ANOTHER INSTANCE OF THE PRESIDENT TRYING TO BASICALLY PRESIDENT TRYING TO BASICALLY TRADE OUR SOVEREIGN ELECTIONS TRADE OUR SOVEREIGN ELECTIONS FOR INFLUENCE THAT WOULD HELP FOR INFLUENCE THAT WOULD HELP HIM. HIM. AND IF HE WAS TALKING ABOUT 2016 AND IF HE WAS TALKING ABOUT 2016 THERE, I DON’T THINK IT’S MUCH THERE, I DON’T THINK IT’S MUCH OF A LEAP TO SAY THAT IF HE SAYS OF A LEAP TO SAY THAT IF HE SAYS I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT YOU DID IN 2016, PRESUMABLY HE YOU DID IN 2016, PRESUMABLY HE WOULDN’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WOULDN’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT THEY MIGHT DO IN 2018, WHAT THEY MIGHT DO IN 2018, 2020, 2022, OR 2024. 2020, 2022, OR 2024. AND I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE AND I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE LARGER NARRATIVE HERE. LARGER NARRATIVE HERE. AND I THINK WHAT REPUBLICANS AND I THINK WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE TO DECIDE IS, ARE THEY HAVE TO DECIDE IS, ARE THEY COMFORTABLE WITH A PRESIDENT WHO COMFORTABLE WITH A PRESIDENT WHO IS TRADING AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY, IS TRADING AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY, OR DO THEY BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE OR DO THEY BELIEVE THAT SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT WHO ELSE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT WHO WOULD DO THAT. WOULD DO THAT. IT’S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD IT’S A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION. QUESTION.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE COMPUTER>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THE COMPUTER SYSTEM, THE REVELATIONS THAT SYSTEM, THE REVELATIONS THAT THIS CONVERSATION, THE TRANS THIS CONVERSATION, THE TRANS TRANSCRIPTS OF THE CONVERSATIONS TRANSCRIPTS OF THE CONVERSATIONS WITH PUTIN, WITH THE SAUDIS, WITH PUTIN, WITH THE SAUDIS, MOVED TO THIS YET MORE SELECTIVE MOVED TO THIS YET MORE SELECTIVE SYSTEM. SYSTEM. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S AKIN TO I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S AKIN TO ALEXANDER BUTTERFIELD DISCLOSING ALEXANDER BUTTERFIELD DISCLOSING THAT THERE IS A RECORDING THAT THAT THERE IS A RECORDING THAT NIXON HAD RECORDINGS IN THE NIXON HAD RECORDINGS IN THE WHITE HOUSE. WHITE HOUSE. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS. I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS. BUT GIVE ME SOME HISTORICAL BUT GIVE ME SOME HISTORICAL CONTEXT INTO THIS SORT OF THING. CONTEXT INTO THIS SORT OF THING. PRESIDENTS KEEPING INFORMATION PRESIDENTS KEEPING INFORMATION FROM THOSE WHO MIGHT WANT OR FROM THOSE WHO MIGHT WANT OR NEED IT FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES, NEED IT FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES, AS OPPOSED TO NATIONAL SECURITY AS OPPOSED TO NATIONAL SECURITY PURPOSES. PURPOSES. IS THERE AN ANALOGUE SOMEWHERE? IS THERE AN ANALOGUE SOMEWHERE?>>PRESIDENTS HAVE THEIR>>PRESIDENTS HAVE THEIR SECRETS. SECRETS. AS WE ALL DO. AS WE ALL DO. I WOULDN’T OVERREACT TO THE FACT I WOULDN’T OVERREACT TO THE FACT THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP CERTAIN THINGS OUT OF THE CERTAIN THINGS OUT OF THE BROADER FLOW. BROADER FLOW. BUT WHAT WE’VE LEARNED WITH THE BUT WHAT WE’VE LEARNED WITH THE WHISTLE-BLOWER AND WHAT WHISTLE-BLOWER AND WHAT THE “POST” IS REPORTING. THE “POST” IS REPORTING. IF ONE OR TWO FOLKS KNOW ABOUT IF ONE OR TWO FOLKS KNOW ABOUT IT, THERE’S ENOUGH, PERHAPS, FOR IT, THERE’S ENOUGH, PERHAPS, FOR PEOPLE TO STAND UP WITHIN THE PEOPLE TO STAND UP WITHIN THE SYSTEM SOMEHOW AND SAY THIS IS SYSTEM SOMEHOW AND SAY THIS IS NOT RIGHT. NOT RIGHT. THIS NEEDS TO STOP. THIS NEEDS TO STOP. AND IF IT’S TROUBLING ENOUGH FOR AND IF IT’S TROUBLING ENOUGH FOR THE WHITE HOUSE TO TAKE THE WHITE HOUSE TO TAKE EXTRAORDINARY STEPS TO CONCEAL EXTRAORDINARY STEPS TO CONCEAL IT, AS YOU SAY, IT RAISES AN IT, AS YOU SAY, IT RAISES AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ENORMOUS NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE CALLS. ABOUT THE CONTENT OF THE CALLS. IS IT ALEXANDER BUTTERFIELD IN IS IT ALEXANDER BUTTERFIELD IN 1973 WHO REVEALED IN A WATERGATE 1973 WHO REVEALED IN A WATERGATE STAFF MEETING THAT THERE WAS A STAFF MEETING THAT THERE WAS A WHITE HOUSE TAPING SYSTEM? WHITE HOUSE TAPING SYSTEM? I DON’T THINK IT’S QUITE THAT I DON’T THINK IT’S QUITE THAT SCALE. SCALE. WE HAD NO SENSE THERE WAS A WE HAD NO SENSE THERE WAS A TAPING SYSTEM FOR NIXON. TAPING SYSTEM FOR NIXON. WHAT IT SAYS IN THIS CASE IS WHAT IT SAYS IN THIS CASE IS THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS HAD A LOT OF

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