Mark Sanford announces primary challenge to Trump


♪ ♪>>Chris: FORMER SOUTH CAROLINA GOVERNOR AND CONGRESSMAN MARK SANFORD ADMITS A PRIMARY CHALLENGE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD BE A “DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH MOMENT” BUT HE’S THINKING ABOUT IT. GOVERNOR SANFORD JOINS US EXCLUSIVELY HERE IN WASHINGTON AND WELCOME BACK TO “FOX NEWS SUNDAY.”>>Governor Sanford: MY PLEASURE.>>Chris: IT YOU ANNOUNCED IN JULY THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES AGAINST DONALD TRUMP. HE VISITED EARLY VOTING STATES LIKE NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IOWA. HAVE YOU MADE A DECISION? ARE YOU GOING TO ENTER THE RACE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP?>>Governor Sanford: I HAVE. I PLANNED TO ANNOUNCE THAT BACK HOME THIS WEEK. WE HAD A HURRICANE COME VISIT US ON THE COAST OF SOUTH CAROLINA SO THAT SORT OF DISRUPTED PLANS ON BUT I AM TELLING YOU KNOW I AM GOING TO GET IN.>>Chris: YOU’RE GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN THE PRIMARIES?>>Governor Sanford: I AM.>>Chris: WHY?>>Governor Sanford: BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A REPUBLICAN. I THINK IS A REPUBLICAN PARTY WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY AND I SAY SO ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FRONTS. I SAY FIRST AND SORT OF THE EPICENTER OF WHERE I’M COMING FROM IS THAT WE HAVE LOST OUR WAY ON DEBT AND DEFICIT SPENDING. ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AND THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND. THE ULTIMATE MEASURE OF GOVERNMENT IS HOW MUCH IT SPEND SPENDS. I THINK AS A PARTY WE’VE LOST OUR WAY. THE PRESIDENT HAS CALLED HIMSELF THE KING OF DEBT. A FAMILIARITY AND COMFORTABLE WITH DEBT THAT I THINK IS ULTIMATELY LEADING US IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. WE CAN GET INTO THOSE NUMBERS BUT THE NUMBERS ARE ASTOUNDING. JUST TAKE FOR INSTANCE HAS A DATA POINT THIS LAST DEAL THAT ADDS TO TRILLIONS R ADDS TO TRILLIONS L ADDS TO TRILLIONS I ADDS TO TRILLIONS N ADDS TO TRILLIONS E ADDS TO TRILLIONS T ADDS TO TRILLIONS . A THIRD OF A TRILLION DOLLARS IN NEW SPENDING AND REALLY THERE WASN’T CONVERSATION ON. I’D SAY THE EPICENTER IS WITH GOD TO HAVE NATIONAL CONVERSATION AND REPUBLICAN CONVERSATION ON WHERE ARE WE GOING.>>Chris: I GUESS HERE’S THE QUESTION –>>Governor Sanford: I WILL COME IN WITH SOME OTHERS.>>Chris: YOU GOT TO KNOW YOU BASICALLY HAVE NO CHANCE OF WINNING THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION, SO WHY RUN FOR PRESIDENT?>>Governor Sanford: I THINK HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAID THAT THING TO DONALD TRUMP JUST A MATTER OF MONTHS AGO AS HE FACED THE LIKES OF JEB BUSH AND OTHERS.>>Chris: YOU WANT TO THINK OF A SERIOUS CHANCE?>>Governor Sanford: I’M SAYING YOU NEVER KNOW. I HAVE LISTED MY GOALS, MY PRIMARY GOALS TO SAY LET’S GO OUT AND FORCE AND TRY AND CREATE A CONVERSATION ON THAT WHICH IS NOT BEING TALKED ABOUT IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL CYCLE. ONCE EVERY FOUR YEARS WE HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE A NATIONAL DEBATE ON WHERE WE’RE GOING NEXT. REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS AND AS AMERICANS AND THE THING THAT HAS BEEN LACKING IN THIS DEBATE HAS BEEN AN EARNEST AND REAL CONVERSATION ON DEBT AND DEFICIT AND GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND I FIND IT ASTOUNDING TO WATCH THE NUMBER OF DEMOCRATIC DEBATES THAT I’VE SEEN AND NO MENTION, NO CONVERSATION ON WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH REGARD TO DEBT AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR EVERYONE OF US.>>Chris: YOUR TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP WAS A LONG SHOT FOUR YEARS AGO. FIRST OF ALL HE WASN’T RUNNING AGAINST AN INCUMBENT PRESIDENT OF HIS OWN PARTY. SECONDLY, LET’S LOOK AT SOME OF THE OBSTACLES THAT YOU FACED BECAUSE THERE ARE SIGNS — 85% APPROVE OF THE JOB THE PRESIDENT IS DOING SO HE’S GOT SUPPORT IN HIS OWN PARTY. A NUMBER OF STATES, INCLUDING HER HOME STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA JUST YESTERDAY HAVE DECIDED NOT TO HOLD PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES AT ALL AND THEY ARE HAS DONE AWAY WITH ITS COMMITTEE TO SET UP DEBATES. SO HOW DO YOU GET YOUR MESSAGE OUT — HOW DO YOU EVEN GET ON THE PLAYING FIELD WITH THE PRESIDENT TO HAVE THIS DEBATE?>>Governor Sanford: OR TALK ABOUT IT NOW, TALK ABOUT NATIONAL TELEVISION AND I’VE BEEN TALKING ON A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT OUTLOOKS OVER THE LAST MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINED MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINET MONTH OF I AS I’VE ENTERTAINEE IDEA. IT WOULD BE TO GO AND SPEND SERIOUS TIME IN NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IOWA AND A WHOLE HOST OF OTHER STATES. AGAIN, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A LONG WALK BUT IT BEGINS WITH THAT FIRST UP AND THAT’S WHAT I’M ANNOUNCING HERE TODAY. I WOULD ALSO SAY THIS, IT’S NOT JUST DEBT AND SPENDING, WHICH IS AGAIN MY PRIMARY FOCUS. THE FACT THAT WE ARE WALKING OUR WAY TOWARDS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL STORM I BELIEVE IN OUR COUNTRY SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. THAT’S WHAT WE ARE WALKING TOWARD AND I THINK WE NEED TO, AGAIN, TO HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE AMERICAN DREAM AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN OUR ABILITY TO ACHIEVE A JOB, WEALTH, AND ALL THOSE THINGS TO GO WITH THE AMERICAN DREAM. AT WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION ON WHERE WE GOING ON TRADE, PROTECTIONISM, TURNING INWARD VERSUS OUTWARD. ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FOCUS ON THE WORLD AT LARGE AND THE RECOGNITION OF THE FACT THAT THOUGH WE WERE NOT ULTIMATELY IS A POPULATION THE BIG PLAYER IN THE WORLD, ECONOMICALLY WE WERE BECAUSE WE ENGAGED WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRUMP TARIFFS, YOU’RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER HOUSEHOLD. “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” HAD AN ARTICLE JUST YESTERDAY TALKING ABOUT YOU’RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A ONE POINT DETERIORATION IN THE RATE OF GROWTH GOING FORWARD. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THERE. THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THE DEGREE TO WHICH INSTITUTIONS AND POLITICAL CULTURE ARE BEING DAMAGED BY THIS PRESIDENT. IN THOSE INSTITUTIONS AND THE POLITICAL CULTURE IS REALLY THE GLUE THAT HOLDS TOGETHER OUR BALANCE OF POWER. AND FINALLY I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ON HUMILITY AND ONE’S APPROACH TO POLITICS. AT THE END OF THE DAY, A TWEET IS INTERESTING, MAY BE NEWSWORTHY, BUT IT’S NOT LEADERSHIP AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE SOME OF THE PROFOUND PROBLEMS WE HAVE AS AMERICANS BY TWEET.>>Chris: IT YOU’RE IN THE RACE NOW. YOU’RE GOING TO GET ASKED TOUGH QUESTIONS, LET ME ASK YOU THE MOST OBVIOUS ONE. I THINK IT’S FAIR TO SAY, THAT YOUR BEST KNOWN AROUND THE COUNTRY AS THE GOVERNOR WHO DISAPPEARED FOR A WEEK IN 2009. YOUR AIDES SAID YOU WERE HIKING THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL. IN FACT YOU WERE A MARRIED GOVERNOR IN ARGENTINA WITH YOUR THEN-GIRLFRIEND. QUESTION, ISN’T THAT GOING TO BE A DEAL BREAKER FOR A LOT OF VOTERS?>>Governor Sanford: AGAIN, I ACTUALLY WENT ON AN APOLOGY TO HER, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, BACK HOME IN THE WAKE OF THAT IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OF MY GOVERNORSHIP. AND WHAT I LEARNED THROUGH THAT IS I GUESS WHAT GENERAL MATTIS TALKS ABOUT, MISTAKES IN LIFE, MISTAKES THAT WE MAKE, OF THE GREAT TUITIONS OF LIFE. THEY COST US, BUT YOU CAN LEARN FROM THEM AND FOR ME, I LEARNED A LEVEL OF HUMILITY, A LEVEL OF EMPATHY THAT I DIDN’T HAVE BEFORE, A LEVEL OF JUDGMENT. IT IS SOMETHING OF GREAT REGRET, IT IS SOMETHING I HAVE APOLOGIZED EXTENSIVELY FOR AND IN CONTRAST TO THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE SAYS THERE’S NOT A SINGLE THING THAT HE REGRETS OR APOLOGIZES FOR, I PROFOUNDLY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT AND I BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN MODEL OF REPENTANCE AND RENEWAL AND A SECOND CHANCE AND WHAT’S BEEN INTERESTING IN THE WAKE OF ALL THAT — THIS IS TEN YEARS AGO — IS THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT THE FOLKS WHO KNEW ME BEST BACK HOME SAID LOOK, WE DON’T APPROVE OF THAT CHAPTER OF YOUR LIFE OR HOW YOU HANDLED IT BUT WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU A SECOND CHANCE WE ARE GOING TO SEND YOU TO CONGRESS WHICH I DID FOR THE FOLLOWING SIX YEARS.>>Chris: AT YOU ON THE PRESIDENT HAVE SOME HISTORY JUST IN 2018 YOU WERE RUNNING FOR REELECTION AGAINST A WOMAN — AT THE VERY LAST MINUTE ON ELECTION DAY THE PRESIDENT ENDORSED HER OVER YOU AND YOU GUYS HADN’T GOTTEN ALONG FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME AND AFTER YOU LOST IN THE PRIMARY, HE LAUGHED ABOUT IT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. HERE HE IS.>>SHE BEATS A MAN THAT LIKES FLAMINGO DANCERS FROM ARGENTINA. YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VACATIONING ON THE TALLAHASSEE TRAIL, BUT HE WAS ACTUALLY IN ARGENTINA. I DON’T KNOW, DO THEY HAVE A TALLAHASSEE TRAIL IN ARGENTINA? I DON’T THINK. NO, RIGHT?>>Chris: HOW MUCH OF THIS IS PERSONAL?>>Governor Sanford: NONE. IF YOU LOOK AT MY 25 YEARS IN POLITICS, WHICH YOU FIND IS AN ABSOLUTE FOCUS — MOST FINANCIALLY CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT IN THE UNITED STATES AMERICA ALL THE DIFFERENT AGENCIES HAVE SEEN HOW CONSISTENTLY I TALK ABOUT THIS. WE ARE NEARING A TIPPING POINT. MY’S GRANDKIDS — IT’S NOT PERSONAL BUT IT IS INDICATIVE OF THE WHERE THE PRESIDENT MAKES TOO MANY THINGS PERSONAL. THINK OF THIS, MY VOTING RECORD WAS MORE THAN 90% WITH THE PRESIDENT. 90%. I LOVE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS, BUT I DON’T AGREE WITH THEM 90% AND YET WE GET ALONG JUST FINE. BUT THAT’S NOT THE WORLD OF TRUMP. THE WORLD OF TRUMP’S PERSONAL LOYALTY AND I BELIEVE AS A CONSERVATIVE OR LOYALTY IS TO BE TWO IDEALS AND IDEAS AND WE AGREED ON 90% — A HANDFUL OF THINGS AND THEREFORE IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT.>>Chris: LESS THAN A MINUTE LEFT AND I WANT TO JUST PICK UP ON THAT BECAUSE YOU POINT OUT THAT THE G.O.P., THE PRESIDENT HAS MOVED THE G.O.P. AWAY FROM TRADITIONAL VALUES LIKE THE DEFICITS AND FREE-TRADE AND AMERICA’S ROLE IN THE WORLD. HOW — IN A MINUTE, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY’S ALLEGIANCE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP DESPITE ALL THIS?>>Governor Sanford: AGAIN, IF THE EXACT THING THAT GOT HIM ELECTED. PEOPLE LOOK AT HILLARY CLINTON VERSUS DONALD TRUMP AND SAID OKAY, I MAY NOT LIKE SOME OF WHAT HE DOES OR SOME OF HOW HE HANDLES THINGS, BUT I WILL PICK HIM OVER HER. THEY HAVEN’T HAD A CHOICE AND THAT’S WHY I’M RUNNING. I THINK THAT AMERICANS DESERVE A CHOICE THAT HAS HAD A REAL EXECUTIVE BRANCH EXPERIENCE, WHICH I HAD OVER TWO TERMS AS GOVERNOR, REAL LEGISLATIVE EXPERIENCE, WHAT I HAD OVER 12 YEARS IN THE U.S. CONGRESS. AND I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THOSE POLLS, ABOUT HALF OF THEM SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRESIDENT — WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CONVERSATION WITHIN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.>>Chris: AND NOW YOU’RE GOING TO PROVIDE IT.

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